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Post by roach on Sept 8, 2008 20:24:34 GMT -5
i will not disagree with you when you say that some of them recieved special treatment..we could both probably name a few and they would be the same people..im not trying to get on your case for that all i am saying is that when people say that football players recieve special treatment they should also understand that it is not every football player that recieves it..there is a select few that get it and the rest are treated the same as regular students..bout the "HOGS" statement i understand it was sarcastic but you know i gotta stick up for my boys on the line
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aj2008
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Post by aj2008 on Sept 9, 2008 6:23:04 GMT -5
u guys are getting a little hostile.
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trex
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Post by trex on Sept 23, 2008 19:10:57 GMT -5
Don't want to beat a dead horse, but I've done a little poll myself. I asked 28 students in high school, all 9th, 10th and 11th graders (no Seniors) if athletes, epecially football players, at Richmond and the Jr high schools get special treatment concerning discipline. None of the students I asked presently play a sport. This is the result of the poll.
24 said athletes get special treatment. 1 said athletes do not get special treatment. 3 do not know, or were undecided.
I also asked a small selection of teachers who teach at the high school level here in Richmond County.
4 said athletes get special treatment. 1 said athletes do not get special treatment. 1 was undecided.
I realize that this poll is far from scientific, but these are the results.
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Post by Kount Klepto on Sept 23, 2008 20:54:24 GMT -5
If you say so.
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trex
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Post by trex on Sept 24, 2008 3:21:58 GMT -5
Kount, yeah, it was a small sampling and doesn't prove anything except that the students I asked are bitter about their experience at school. But, they all answered honestly.
I guess a better measure of determining if athletes get special treatment would be to examine the discipline referrals. You want to bet that if we could examine discipline referrals for the past 5 years they would show conclusively that athletes are given breaks, especially on game day? Kount, do you really believe that athletes are treated the same as other students?
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truth
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Post by truth on Sept 24, 2008 10:01:43 GMT -5
Kinda creepy that treex is spending that much time with high school kids LOL. Nice vendetta you have going here little man.
BTW, nice to see the truth come out in the Harden case.
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trex
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Post by trex on Sept 24, 2008 19:02:04 GMT -5
Truth,
Do me a favor. Go back to your post on page 2 of this thread and read it carefully. You know the one where you started "Trex-nobody really cares who you are...", and then you, so brilliantly and beautifully, demonstrating a superior Einsteinian intellect and unparalled logic skills , wrote "it would only make sense for coaches to teach at the place where they work". You know that post? After reading it ask yourself this: am I sure I want to write another post.
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truth
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Post by truth on Sept 25, 2008 10:02:29 GMT -5
Trex, do me a favor and quit flip flopping. First, you pile on the Harden kid, and then he is cleared. Second, you imply the OL are stupid kids, when they have proven to be a very intelligent group. Third, you say Hoggard is all about winning championships, but then you say he has tightened up and expects his payers to follow school rules. Are you running for POTUS cause you flip-flop more than McCain and Obama combined.
Now, if you want to continue to argue the semantics of my quoteit would only make sense for coaches to teach at the place where they work" then you should perhaps look up the definition of coach.
coach
verb 1. teach and supervise (someone); act as a trainer or coach (to), as in sports; "He is training our Olympic team"; "She is coaching the crew"
The word in bolds really stands out. Coaching encompasses teaching. Teaching and coaching go hand in hard. All of the coaches hired were already teaching at the JR high level. Why is it unrealistic to believe they are qualified to teach at the 9th grade school?
Now, are you sure you want to continue you posting? You know, you are on a football board trying to convince folks that football players and coaches are bad. That is like attending a NAACP meeting dressed in white sheet.
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trex
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Post by trex on Sept 26, 2008 21:26:26 GMT -5
Truth,
Let me respond to your points one at a time.
First, I never flip flopped on the Jeremy Harden issue. I know the word "filp flop" has been used on the news a lot recently, but do you even know what it means? I was clear that if Jeremy was guiilty of what he had been acussed - you know, holding someone off of a balcony by her heels because she asked Jeremy to turn the music down - that he should be cut from the football team, expelled from school, and put in jail. I also claimed that Jeremy Harden recieved special treatment while in high school. I know that he did. My opinion hasn't changed. Finally, I made the point that athletes, especially football players, get special treatment at Richmond. I'm also absolutely sure, no doubt at all, that that is still true. So, where did I flip flop?
Second, while it's true that I was calling offensive linemen less than brilliant, I have already explained to Roach that I was being sarcastic, that I didn't really believe it. Also, I do not think that football players in general are dumb or have a bad attitude. However, I am absolutely possitive that some football players, highly visible ones, get special treatment at Richmond. My opinion hasn't changed.
Now, to Coach Hoggard. I don't like the man, period. I believe, as Roach pointed out, that he is good to and cares about his players. This is good. But I believe that he, like most coaches, puts winning first. I know that last year, before the school realignment, and when most teachers were anxious about where they'd be placed, he went to at least one Jr. high school to recruit coaches. He promised these coach-teachers jobs at the 9th grade academy if they would agree to coach. That is evil, and I dispise the man. Moreover, I hope the school board members and the administrators and bureaucrats at the cental office-these class filled and integrity filled souls who assured teachers that the teachers would be treated fairly when placed at new positions- contract horrible diseases and die. My opinion has not changed. No flip flop. Comprende?
It's true, I believe, but am not sure, that Hoggard has tightened up on disciplining his players at school. How could he not have after Coach Emory (did I spell that right?), who's main mission in life seemed to have been being friends with his football players and getting them out of trouble? I stiill believe that athletes and football players, especially, get special treatment at school. No flip flop.
Finally, to your point about semantics, and about whether or not coaches are teachers: I hope you were just joshing when you went to the dictionary. You were kidding, right? I never claimed that coaches do not teach their players on the field. I know they do. I also know that some coaches are qualified teachers and do a god job of teaching in the classroom. But, coaches are seldom the best teachers. Most of the time coaches get teaching jobs so they can coach. Often, principals will fill teaching jobs with coaches who are not primarily interested in being good teachers, but who are just looking to coach.
A few examples: Several years ago at a Jr. high school in this county, a basketball coach was hired to teach 9th grade Social Studies. This coach/teacher knew abosolutely nothing about the subject. The students were deprived of learning their subject, But hey, the school had a good basketball team. He later went on to coach at a high school. Also, the person who is presently the personel director at the central office (that is, he is in charge of recruiting, hiring and firing teachers), and who used to be a principal at a high school, said, when explaining why he was not going to hire a highly qualified teacher, that when he was a principal, he usually hired coaches to teach Social Studies classes. Again, students were and are deprived of a good education. This pactice, of hiring coaches to teach, only makes sense if we place winning football games ahead of student learning. This is clearly the case in Richmond County.
I have asserted that it was wrong for the central office and for Coach Hoggard to have recruited coaches to teach at the 9th grade academy. I still believe that the central office should have concerned itself with hiring good teachers first. Old Hoggy should have had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with it Sorry, no flip flop.
By the way, your analogy was poor. You compared my being here to a Klansman "dressed in a white sheet" attending an NAACP convention. Not good. A better analogy: I'm like a card carrying member of Mensa attending a cheerleading convention. Hehe! I mean after all, there are people here, yes more than one, who post things like "GO RAIDERS!" before Raider football games.
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Post by truth on Sept 27, 2008 7:53:41 GMT -5
So you implied something completely false about a group of good, hardworking, smart young men simply because you don't like their coach? Once again you prove to be among the classiet of individuals around.
Speaking of social studies and coaches, do you know which teacher at Richmond had the highest social studies scores the last few years? If you do, I bet you want answer because I believe it is a football coach. A very good teacher, I learned a lot from him.
I love your use of the word "several". You know, right before examples. Then you give one example at a Junior High, of a basketball coach. BTW, there are no basketball coaches teaching social studies at the high school that I know of. Then you gave some story about the personnel director which nobody knows about but you.
Calling Hoggard's action evil, is laughable at best. The county wanted to fill those positions from within, and they did. I don't think they hired anybody from outside the county, so I am going to assume you are just bitter. I don't know the quality of those teachers (never taught by any of them), but if they are lacking as teachers then it is the county's fault.
I am done responding to you as you obviously have some issues that would be better taken up elsewhere. Word for the day..... Agitprop
Have a nice life, hope your crusade goes well. SInce I am the only person who is having fun screwing with you now, your pitiful meaningless existence will mostly likely cease
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Post by trex on Sept 27, 2008 8:36:59 GMT -5
Truth,
Please don't run. I didn't know you were "screwing with" me. I didn't know you were messing around. I thought when you wrote an entire post about my flip flopping; you know going through all the trouble of using political analogies and pulling in John McCain and Barack Omama and Klan meetings and all, and trying to appear all smart and stuff; and your partiicularly impressive use of the dictionary to prove a semantic point? Man, that was awesome. I didn't know you were messing around. My bad. I just thought that you enjoyed being emasculated. But hey, I can understand that you've got to scoot.
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Post by trex on Sept 27, 2008 17:46:31 GMT -5
Truth,
Oh yeah, I forgot to ask before you run away and stop screwing with me: You used the word agitprop . Did your mom find that word for you? Or was it the SAT word of the day, or something like that? Thanks for screwing around with me. I enjoyed it.
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Post by trex on Oct 6, 2008 17:22:24 GMT -5
Truth,
Hahahaha! I've been laughing ever since you went to the dictionary to prove that coaches are teachers. You didn't do that did you? That takes the cake. I can't get over it. You are from Texas aren't you? It's so cool to be "screwed with" by a Texan who refers to football players" as "good, hardworking, smart, young men".. Hahahaha! Hahahaha!
New poll: 5 out of 6 people asked said that Truth is a cheerleader.
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